Friday, October 3, 2014

The Village group 1

Anderson-DeGroot:

Please share your best insights, observations, and questions here.  Between Friday evening (10/3) and Sunday evening (10/5), please post at least twice.  Think of this as an online dialogue--respond to others, make connections, support thinking, and link to big picture/argument.


16 comments:

  1. This town was called Covington Woods. Covington sounds like covenent, which means a truce or agreement. The history of this name ties in with what Mr. Walker said about having a truce with the other "villages" which we find out are modern towns. The truce is about being able to do this social experiment, which raises questions about the morality of this experiment and the people that allowed it.

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    1. Is it a social experiment though? It seems that the only people that know what is happening are the enders and that guy out in the rangers center. At least in my mind, a social experiment has to have multiple people inside and outside of what is happening to collect the responses. Like in the Stanford Prison Experiment, they had people collecting what was happening and people that were kind of conducting what was happening.

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  2. One thing that I couldn't help but notice was the name of Walker on the side of the jeep. I also think that the officers name was Kevin. Do these mean anything? Did I miss the connection? Also, I firmly believe that the elders of the town are purposely keeping the people of the town away from the outside world, and scaring them with lies of the creatures to keep them from wandering out to see what the outside was like. I also think that all of the people that were "killed" by the creatures actually escaped the confines of the town, and refused to return after discovering the outside world. I still am not sure why the people were being kept away from modern society. Maybe it;s because the elders thought the outside world was wrong, and wanted to live in the past, where times were simpler. I also noticed that they set Noah up to die,by planting the suit in his room, knowing he would find it and chase after Ivy, and in her fear, defend herself, killing him. I think that they wanted revenge on him for killing Lucius.

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    1. I disagree with that they killed people might have escaped. This is only because I don't believe the elders would of allowed it. If someone who got out and didn't want to return, it would of posed a huge threat to the secrecy and sacredness of the village. That person could tell anyone and they could personally destroy the system and way of living that they have developed. So I honestly think that the people actually died for other reasons (Possibly because they discovered the truth and resisted the program and the Elders).

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  3. I don't think it's an experiment. Like Abby said, people were collecting data, and a social experiment must have people on both sides who are aware of the experiment. I don't know about you, but I think Kevin looked genuinely surprised to see Ivy. I don't think he knew about any experiment. I think that the elders could be either genuinely concerned about the outside world, and want to protect the people from it. From the Wikipedia article on the Village: "During this time, it is revealed that the village was actually founded in the late 1970s, when Edward Walker, professor of American History at the University of Pennsylvania, approached other people he met at a grief counseling clinic after his father had been murdered. He asked them if they wished to join him in "an idea" he had. From this apparently grew "the village", a secluded town in the middle of a wildlife preserve purchased with Edward's family fortune, a place where they would sustain themselves, and be protected from any aspect of the outside world." Also:"The head ranger, Jay (M. Night Shyamalan), explains to Kevin that the Walker estate pays to maintain the ranger corps. The rangers make sure no one goes into the wildlife preserve to "disturb the animals", and the Walker estate pays the government to keep the entire wildlife preserve a no-fly zone....During her absence, the Elders opened their black boxes, each containing mementos from their lives in the outside world, including items related to their past traumas. " The elders had given up on the outside world, and wished to be secluded from it. The black box had their memories, good and bad, so they would never forget.

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    1. Do you think that Edward Walker wanted to make the village be like a 1800s society so that money and evil were not a problem?

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  4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Village_%282004_film%29

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  5. At the end of the movie when they were explaining what was going on, Ivy's dad came up to someone and said "My name is _____ Walker, and I have an idea." I'm pretty sure that he was telling them that he has a way that they could get away from modern society as they had all been hurt by it in one way or another. Which was the "animal preserve", which would explain why it has Walker on the side of the Land Rover. It seems that they were more of running away from their problems than living with what had happened to them and their families.

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  6. The village had a wall/border around their boundaries made of post to protect them from the "creatures" in the woods and in the real world they had a wall to protect them from the "creatures" in the woods. It almost seems like they were blocking off each other from their own worlds.

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    1. I think that's a really important piece of the story and poses an important question about the ethics of humanity in general. When people seclude themselves from the rest of the world and treat the people on the "outside" world as creatures to be feared, it definitely exposes an issue of the power of pain. I think that this could definitely be Shyamalan's purpose/message of the movie.

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    2. I agree with your statement. I think that the fear of the unknown plays just as important of a roll as it did in the Crucible. I wonder if the elders went outside the walls and looked at today's society, would they be impressed or disappointed. It is hard to believe that these people came up with this community and have never looked back. The creatures that they are afraid of is are the bad and evil parts of today's modern society.

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  7. After watching this movie I couldn't help but wonder about how legal this whole thing was. Sure it is just an experiment/story but the way the author and director made it appear, like this community was the right thing to do made me disagree a little bit. I agree that there are a lot of pros about this way of living but also many cons. First, is seems like they are all living in a colt, none of them know the truth and its almost like the elders are brain washing them. Also, wasn't the whole point of this community to avoid terrible deaths.. will it seems like they haven't quite avoided that by hiding the truth from their village. Also, they aren't letting these people choose if this is how they want to live. It seems a little too much like and experiment for these lives to be toyed with rather than a safe community. Lastly, while in the community it seems that they all are forced to live in fear of these creatures, it causes stress, heartbreak, and in this case death of an innocent man playing in one of their costumes. (Noah)

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  8. I thought the whole concept of getting away from modern life to live in a Puritan style society was very interesting. I found it rather odd that they thought that a Puritan style society would be more successful and keep them safer than in the real world. If they meant to escape the struggle of wealth to a time where money had lesser value, then there would be many different struggles introduced. People could kill each other over food, land, crops, livestock, political disputes, disease, love (As Noah did), and many other conflicts, not just money. I also found it strange that they would give up modern living comforts for those of Puritan times. They would now have to wash clothes by hand, cook dinner over fires, wear old clothing, have poor means of defense, and other modern living conveniences. But maybe those are just the things they have to sacrifice in order to maintain the society that they have established.

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  9. Isn't it strange that lies hold such power? Fear and ignorance in both cases is what kept people in the towns. In the Village, I believe that they were more afraid of dying a brutal death than the hand of God coming and striking them down. It's interesting that in both stories the plot is left open-ended, either: a. Ignorance and lies win out, and things continue as normal, or, b. The people realize the truth and finally understand what they must do to fix their community.

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    1. sorry, I posted this on the wrong blog at first!

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  10. The VIllage is mostly about ignorance of power with a few other themes mixed in. What did it say about society today vs then when the big plot twist was revealed? Scapegoating and fear of the unknown are both used as devices when the villagers blame livestock deaths on coyotes, even though they managed to skin the livestock and not take any of the meat. They were too afraid of the unknown, so they used their ignorance to protect them. It was peculiar that their turning point for realization was later on when they noticed that coyotes could not reach high enough on the doors to be making the red marks. The other thing that bothers me is: What was Lucius' color to Ivy??? Was the audience supposed to infer it a specific way, or is it up to speculation? (sorry posted on wrong blog the first time! :/ )

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